[00:00:04] All right. I think it's working, Jack. If this is not working. Let me know. So I'm Cindy White. I'm the director for Burlington Parks Recreation and Waterfront. And Jack invited me to join the show today to talk about Parks Recreation in this pandemic. This crazy kind of world that we're living in. So just a little tiny bit about myself, because there are students watching. And so there's that opportunity to share about this incredible field, Parks and Recreation. So for the students that are interns for the sustainable transportation, I just want to give you this sort of thought of thinking about municipal parks recreation as a potential career. During items like this, during this time of the pandemic, we are this amazing, essential service Parks and Recreation is across the country. Everybody is flocking to our parks. And it's a time where you can really give back. So if you're thinking about yourself, what am I going to do? I don't really know what I'm doing with sustainable transportation as a as a career. I really can sponsor you to think about Parks Recreation. And if you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me through Burlington Parks Rec waterfront. Now, I'd be happy to help guide you along the way. I'd say meet you for coffee, but I'll be a little while before we meet for coffee in person. But I'm getting pretty good at Zoom cup of coffee. So what is Parks and Recreation? How's it? How's it going for us? It's been a really challenging time. So nationally, I think you're probably seeing the impacts at our national parks where they were making them. They're taking away the admission fee with the idea of people were losing jobs and that would just be something that you could help. But then all of a sudden, everybody's going to the national parks. And was that what we wanted? Was that what we wanted for people to be traveling and overusing these spaces at the time? We're really they're supposed to be staying home and staying local. So then that's that national perspective from the national perspective. Our national parks, there's these impacts and then we see it from a state level. You know, the state is struggling with the fact that they're really not even open, technically open. I mean, the state parks are open all the time. You can stop at a state park and go to use the trails. But now all of sudden, people are flocking in at the state parks, which are regional destinations and are having challenges with trailheads. And then you get to the sort of microcosm of local. So right now in Burlington, we have, I think approx about 42 percent of the land in Burlington is open space. So Burlington is very fortunate. But then we're struggling with how do people use our parks in this time where there's the social distancing issues. So national, state and then local, lots going on. But the nice part is, is that we have a lot of really great resources as you all use social media for your different needs. We're able to use that for ourselves. There's different sources where I get information and support from my colleagues. There's one called Women in Parks and Recreation. I think there's a couple thousand members of that organization and it's an opportunity for us to share with each other what are we doing? You know, programing ideas, you know, whose playgrounds are closed who's skate parks are closed and such. So you're getting a sense of how this is going nationally. And then also, I have other ones where I've gone to a school called Director School. So we have a Facebook social group where we get together from kind of a that director level and supporting each other. And then most recently, I pulled together a meeting using Zoom, which I don't even know, if I'd heard about zoom up until a couple to, what, three weeks ago. And now I have very I know a lot more about Zoom. So using Zoom, we collected all the directors. So really kind of sticking to that high level, collecting the directors from all over the state. And we met via Zoom to just talk about what are we doing? Is there things that we want to be doing with a collective voice? Our national association with a collective voice said that we all needed to close our playgrounds. That was a collective decision across the country that was made that you need to close your playgrounds. So what do we need to be doing stateside?

[00:04:16] Are there any other decisions that we want to be making that we say are, you know, across the state we're doing X?

[00:04:24] I know for myself, one of the things that was really challenging and I will show all of you this is my Parks and Recreation Bear it says I'm a park and rec kid because I truly am a Park and Rec kid. I live and breathe this profession, something I'm incredibly passionate about. And so this bear yesterday helped me get through Bear the Pressley's that we had to do yesterday. We made the decision to take the hoops down in our basketball courts, lock our tennis courts and lock our dog parks. And that's a really one year I said I quoted think of the good of the paper is that, you know, it's like losing it really, truly was. There is nothing that you want to be doing that is closing your spaces that the community is so desperately needing. I think about our youth and our young adults that I would see at the basketball courts, many of whom are using everything appropriately so. This wasn't by us taking hoopes down, wasn't a way to punish, not punishing anybody, but it was our method for the fact that you're sharing basketballs. You were there's a lot of sharing of equipment going on and not everybody was completely getting it. But so we made that decision to take those down. But it was really challenging. And those are some of the decisions that we're making locally. But the nice part when you think about sustainable transportation is all the things that we say that you can do in our parks at this time, you can really do anytime in your parks. And we hope from this effort people will look at the parks in a different way and find new areas in their city. So the things that you can still do in your parks, you can go for a walk, can still go for a bicycle ride. You can take your dog for a walk. We want you to put Fido on a leash, though, because there's so many people out there. So that's isn't the time to practice your voice control with your dog when there's so many people out there. So those are all the things you can continue to do in our parks and you can do anytime. You know, maybe people will realize through all of this that they don't realize, gosh, you know, I guess I could a walk to work or, you know, it really wasn't that hard to get on my bicycle and bike into town to see things so that some of the things that were kind of hoping will happen through all of this.

[00:06:41] But I guess, you know, it's it's that time of our lives where we have to really be thinking about what does sustainable transportation mean? What is this current pandemic mean where we're told to stay at home? And how do you get to your local parks? Do we have in place the systems that allow people to to get to a park easily? What are the sidewalks like for a parent who's, you know, maybe they got their fifth and sixth graders home. They're fully capable going out on their own and getting to the park. This is kind of that time they realized like were they able to safely get to a park? Did they have a park near them? One of the things that's pretty fortunate about Burlington is about 92 percent of our residents are within a 10 minute walk of a park. So compared to some communities where 24 percent or 54 percent are within that distance, we are really fortunate here in Burlington that people can and they can easily access our parks. But again, accessing their parks in it being a good access may be two different things. So we can encourage people if you're here in Burlington, as you're noticing and getting out into your parks, more are the things that we could be doing that would enable you to get to it more easily, more safely. Some of them may be pieces that we can pass on to our friends at DPW. As far as crosswalks, if there's some improvements that need to be made there. But it's that time for us to make some of those some of those changes.

[00:08:15] So that's kind of really in a nutshell what we're doing here. And I don't know if anybody has any questions about parks in their area, parks here in Burlington that would help them, that we could answer for you here. Not that we have all the answers here in Burlington. We're still still struggling with all of it.

[00:08:34] And again, it's a great time to be a park recreation professional, because we are doing this incredibly essential service for our communities to be able to give them places to go out and play safely. But if anybody has any questions, feel free to ask. Those interns that are listening in. Think about, put your thoughtful question on what you think might be helpful for us to be able to talk about or that we can get more information for you on.

[00:09:16] Not seeing any questions yet. So I'll just I guess I'll delve a little bit oh we got a couple of questions. Let me hit those real quick and then we could jump in some other things. So one of the questions is any tips for appropriate and safe use of the Greenway right now? One of the things. So, Jonathan, on that one, I would suggest this get off the Greenway. I mean, that's where one the best thing I can suggest is if you're an experienced rider, you know, get off the get off the Greenway, go on North Ave. You know, it's not as many cars out there. I know Keith and I my husband and I went on for a really nice bike ride by using the 1:27 path, jumping out to Riverside along North Ave. Not really sure what the distance was. It was about as maybe a six mile bike ride. We passed a couple people on the 1:27 path and riding a Riverside. There's not a bike lane right there, but once you hit North Ave obviously there is a bike lane, but there's not quite as much traffic out there. So for the experienced riders out there, I'd say, please get off the bike path. You know, let's let the inexperienced riders have a chance to have it. Our walkers, another piece to be thinking about, too, is if you're a walker. Where else could you go for a walk? Mary Danco, the City Library director I really went for just a lovely walk last night, got a little damp, but at Lakeview Cemetery and I think there's around about three miles of path down there. If you walked every single bit of green grass  path and paved path and it's just a treasure its a treasure of a place down there. Mary and  I could very easily do our six foot social distance down there because there was nobody else walking down there. But it is quiet. And if you go to our city website, enjoyBurlington.com and click on the cemetery's link. You'll get to Lake View. Cemetery page and on there is another link that branch out Burlington put together, which is a tree identifying walk. A lot of the trees have a little metal tab on them and  many of the trees have a little metal disc on them. That will tell you more about what those trees are in the cemetery. It's almost like an arboretum down there.There's I'm not sure how many different trees, but maybe 50 different species of trees that are down in our cemetery. So to that question is, how about you get off the bike path? Leave it. We'll try to leave it for the walkers as much as possible and the walkers finding other places to walk let me just see what else we have.

[00:11:39] So we have Jack asking, do you feel that the changed habits in terms of increased walk and biking during this crisis will continue beyond the crisis? I would I would think that it will. I think it's one where people sometimes forget how easy exercise can be.

[00:11:56] And also, maybe it hadn't really thought about it as being this essential. So in Vermont with the governor and I think across the country, they've included exercise as something that's included so recognizing the importance for mental and physical health, being able to get out and exercise.

[00:12:15] I know in our community it's not as tight as in some places where it's about 200 meters is as far as you can go from your home. But we're encouraging people to stay local as much as possible. So my hope is that we will see increased people just walking and biking helps to how find how simple it is and how special their communities are for being able to go out and share their green spaces.

[00:12:40] So my friend Julie from Syracuse, I just have to give her a heads up, she says director in Syracuse, she says, Thank you for proclaiming us as essential for quality of life right now. She's doing amazing things in Syracuse and thank her for that. Jason, asked us any thoughts on where people are taking their dogs with dog parks closed? Greenmount has seen a big rise in dogs. That is I think that's just that's a great, great comment. Technically, dogs are not allowed in our cemeteries. That is something that's restricted. So hopefully we don't see a big increase in dogs in the cemeteries. But sounds like we are a bit. I'm so that reminder to anybody listening in that dogs are excluded from cemeteries at this time. Any time really it doesn't mean in the future we couldn't change rules but join our cemetery commission and you can help with that. Just a little plug. So right now, I think I know where I'm looking out right now. I'd look out my window. I live out in the New Northend and there's sidewalks and hopefully people are taking their dog for a walk in the neighborhood. You don't have to go to a dog park to take your dog for a walk. I realize some dogs are more energetic than others, but right now, take your dog for a longer walk if you can, because we need those dogs on leash. There's so many people out there. And given an example, I went for a run one morning at Ethan Allen Park and I'm coming down the hill. I see this older couple coming up a hill and all of the sudden these two dogs come out running right out onto the path. The couple down below stopped, I stopped and we're looking for the owner the owner eventually comes out and, you know, I tried to have a reasonable conversation with the person about, you know, you really you need to have your dogs on leash. And it went so-so that conversation. But it's that time to keep your dogs and leash, because I don't know if those dogs are going to chase me as I'm running, as I go past them. This older couple doesn't know what they should be doing. So just put your dog on a leash.

[00:14:44] If they need a lot of exercise, take them  for a longer walk and  just be respectful. Be respectful of all the people that are out there and that we need to have safe places for us to walk without worrying about a dog off leash.

[00:14:58] And if anybody else has any questions, I will. Just talk a little bit about until I see any more questions about programing.It is really kind of interesting how the  programing has changed and how quickly we all adapt. Who would have thought about a yoga class on Zoom before, you know, these past week or two, but we're starting to see yoga classes popping up where people are able to still practice yoga.  They can't get out from their home. And there's the instructors can't open their studios, but they're finding this other way to still connect with their students. And you can be at home and have a yoga class. And I think to myself, like, gosh, like, should we be doing this more often? It's nice to be able to get in person for that yoga class. But who couldn't take the class that was forty five minutes away because work was done at 5:00 and they couldn't get out till 5:30, but they can't make the class. So, you know, do you do a zoom live while the class is going on and more people will be able to participate? I want to give a shout out to my friends at BCA. They've done a home studio. They really jumped on this bandwagon and had things organized very well and very fast. And they're going to be taking their Facebook group and putting it on to a website. So its even more accessible. But they're doing classes every Monday, Wednesday, Friday. They're doing personal classes with local artists and paying those artists so that they continue to be paid to be doing classes for our community. But anybody could jump on .Doreen was using the example of that her grandchild will do the art class each day. She joins in whatever the art class is. And then she shares with Doreen at the end of the day, this object that she made. And for those of us that don't live close by to parents, when my children were younger we lived out in the coast of Washington state. So we moved when my youngest was five months old and then the next one was three and five. And I think, wow, that's really neat how we could have shared that experience. Internet was still kind of going then. And so it was kind of a while ago, but it's something you can do now. So click grandparents, you know, zoom and you're doing art together. So while COVID-19, is really kind of this tragic time for a country, is there going to be this rapid innovation that's going to happen that allows us to connect in other unique ways? But getting back to Parks and Rec, so programing, is programing happening online? I know here in Burlington, our Parks and Rec team is working on trying to get some some more programing. They've been very focused on getting meals out. Our recreation team, their first and foremost was we're very involved with the meal delivery Monday, Wednesday, Friday to the kids here in Burlington. And then we're also delivering meals to our seniors. So that's been our first priority. And then this next step we're going to is the programing. But again, BCA is doing a fantastic job on getting things out. And then Mary at the library, they said they've had a really high increased in downloadable books and walking quite a few people not literally by the hand, but through the chat and through telephone. And how do you download books online? Because not everybody previously had known how to do it. So that's a little bit about Parks and Recreation here in Burlington for those that are listening in from other places. One of the things I really encourage you to do is please don't get in your vehicle to go to a park. We would keep as much as you can try to stay local,  find your trail that's closest to you, your park that's closest to you. Try to resist touching things. I know we've got benches and there's different ways you can stay fit in your parks without having to have equitment but now is not the time to putting your hands on picnic tables and doing your pushups unless you've got some good hand sanitizer that you're bringing with you or you're really good at never touching your face, which I don't think I'm very good about. Theoretically, you could do your pushups, go home and then wash your hands really carefully. But that's a little bit of just tips on using our parks. So we've got a couple questions here. Let me just see if I can read them. Someone sent me a friend request if you're able to accept their friend request without ending the video. That would be great. Boy, this would be. I am not sure if I know how to do that. Jack, you may be asking me. Oh, I could do it on my phone. I'm so clever.

[00:19:27] So they are saying how do people join the video, do a friend request. We're all learning new technology right now. All right, so instead, I'm going to trust these friend requests that are coming through.

[00:19:42] All right.  Richard Watts, I just have to tell a short little story. Richard Watts, when I first came here to Burlington which is about two and a half years ago, that I started here in Burlington, and Richard asked if he could do a video with a class for me. And I was like, sure, we could do that. It would just be  like this Leslie Knope Parks and Rec sort of spoof. And he sent to me the final video when he was done. And I shared it with my children. And they just died because they were like, Mom, yeah, your the Leslie Knopes of the world. But you know what? I wear that hat happily because I am a big park and rec kid and I fully believe in this profession and all the good things that we are able to do for our communities, especially during this time.  So a little plug for Jack Hanson is helping to coordinate this piece. Jack's one of our city counselors. And I think how fortunate, again, that we are here in Burlington that we have city counselors that are so passionate  about our sustainable transportation. And so Jack and I oftentimes will be meeting if I'm coming in for a council meeting at 4:00 or 5:00, something on the agenda. You know, locking my bike up at the same time that Jack's locking his bike up. And it's nice to have that. I appreciate, that's one of the pieces I really appreciate about my new community is that it is such a big bike community. Everybody, not everybody, but a lot of people are getting out and about on their bicycle's to get places. And we're able to do that safely with bike lanes and our amazing Burlington waterfront path. But so, again, big place, I would say come visit, but don't come visit right now because we we want to try to keep everything local. But make sure you come visit another time and check out our amazing community here in Burlington. So lt looks like we got another question will be coming in from Richard. All right, so it is fun to see some of my friends, my Park and Rec friends watching on this video, so Jack told me I will tell you this one part. So I thought I was doing this to eight students. And then as we're prepping, getting ready for this class Jack says no, this is actually going to be Facebook live. And I'm like, oh, I'm so glad you told me that. So I didn't accidentally saying something that shouldn't be appropriate, but I just want to give a shout out real quick to my friend Michael fromVirginia Beach. Hope you're doing great down there, Michael.

[00:22:15] So a question Richard has for us is, is it possible restricting national park use? I think that was the question. Is it possible to restrict national park use?  

[00:22:28] I would imagine that you can restrict them. I would hope that the only people that are at national parks right now are the locals. I mean, that's really who should only be there right now is if you live right by it. But if it's a larger question of outside of the pandemic, should we be limiting national park use? That is a great question, because one of the things that makes our national parks such treasures is how beautiful that they are. And if we are overusing those parks, you know, what does that do for the generations to come? If there's not these beautiful national parks to be going to. I know that some of the national parks have found some interesting solutions as far as, you know, bussing more people through and not as much of the personal cars one of them I can't remember there is  one or two of them I really want to get to it's on my bucket list is I guess they have like an opening day where everybody can cycle in. All you can do is to get around is use your bicycle. And for this person who loves to bicycle, it seems pretty ideal they get in on the first day of opening of a park on your bicycle. So I think I got I think I got that. How do I get down there? All right. So I don't know if anybody's got any other questions on Parks Rec again during this COVID-19 pandemic. For those that are kind of getting on and haven't been on, I just want to again say I'm Cindy White. I'm with the Burlington Park Recreation Waterfront Department. And It's a struggle. It is a struggle for those of us in the park recreation field. And we're having to close things down. But as we say, it's our time. You know, it's our time to do this. It's our time to step up and provide this assistance to our community, but also very clearly giving clear directions on what you can and cannot do in your parks. But again, that sustainable transportation, which is who's hosting us today. That's walking and biking, You could always walk and bike through our parks. We'd love having you out there. Social distancing. And again, if you were from outside the area thinking about where can you go in your park systems, that maybe people aren't going so much. One of the ones here in Burlington is the Lakeview Cemetery is a really great place to go for a walk where everybody's not. Let me just he's got another question here. Richard is. What about in Vermont? Are we open in all of our parks? More people use recreation, keep doing it. Is there any silver lining here with more people wanting to be outside? Definitely the silver lining. One of the things that's kind of interesting I wonder about is all the families who are usually racing around to all these club sports, you know, their kid, may be we're in spring now. So they may be still on an AU basketball team, but they're also signed up for baseball and they're on their club soccer team. So they're juggling three sports. They're traveling off to all these different states. And now they're home.

[00:25:32] They're home spending these time as a family and not racing off, taking one parent, taking one kid, another parent taking their kid, and then the baby like on the back, having to go to all of it. Will, we see a change there as for club sports after this, will people get a little taste of what it is not to be racing everywhere. I don't think that's a bad thing. Michael asks, How are your staff doing that are still working and maintaining the parks?

[00:26:00] So our staff I feel like they have been struggling because we've had to pull back some of the service. And so we're balancing that part as far as our park staff are, what's essential when in Vermont we have a strict stay at home executive order right now. And so they kind of have given this list of what you can and cannot do at this time. And so, like we know that we can empty trash. We know we have to do that. We know that we have to continue to sanitize where we can be sanitizing. But then there's kind of this gray line of should we be, you know, cleaning out our all gardens right now and all the parks or not is that, you know, where does that fall in this as essential service. We're reassigning some of our staff to be collecting data for us and getting out to the parks to help us, kind of a park attendant to help people understand about social distancing and how to do it safely and appropriately.

[00:26:50] And we're hoping that data will help inform some of our decisions with where we're putting staff or not putting staff. But I think the staff, yeah, I think the staff are doing all right. The staff at some level are doing okay. We're just trying to acknowledge that it's not easy. It's not easy when everything you you want to do is to make our parks beautiful. But partly what you're doing and staying home at some level and not 100 percent full in is keeping our community safe to.

[00:27:20] So how will the pandemic affect your 2021 budget? We were just talking about that with staff. So that is definitely one where, you know, right now we're just we're in our fiscal 20 budget. So we're in the middle of finishing that one up and as far as the budget goes for city you know, the message right now is you don't spend. Don't spend money unless you absolutely have to be spending money. And so, you know, we have to buy rubber gloves. We have to get face masks, we have to get disinfectant. But otherwise, we're just trying not to spend any money because it's a struggle with it. We're just not  all bleeding money right now. Our campground reservations got canceled left and right. So that means that's revenue we don't have. We don't know are people going to be coming in from Quebec this year on their boats to use our marina? We don't know the answer to that question so far. And then for 21, we're just looking out to are there some major projects that we could be put on hold a shift for a year. And instead we use some of those funds for just the essential work that we have to get done in our parks.

[00:28:23] We need to seed them. We need to fertilize them. All hat has to continue to happen in order to have these places for the park to use. But could a tennis court project get put on hold? And we, you know, take much of our capital projects and we shifted a year.

[00:28:35] So that's one of the some of the things that we're juggling with as far as the budgets go. The priority for us is keeping our staff going. You know, how do we keep our staff going to be able to have the service for our community? Let me just take a quick look.

[00:28:50] Make sure I got the questions. OK. What can the city be doing more generally during the crisis to support your awesome work? Well, thank you. And for your department is more funding an issue? And are there other things your department could benefit from during this crisis? More generally. So what can the city be doing? So I would say what the city can be doing is please one use our parks were so happy to have you out in them, bring your trash home. So if you were here in Burlington or any park, it's really helpful if you just take your trash home, look around you as you're going, please pick things up because otherwise our staff have to pick those things up and bring your trash home and just help get the word out about social distancing. A parks model. You know, model that when you come up to when you see a friend, when you get to a park that you stop and you give each other that six foot social distancing, you're modeling what it's like to have a conversation as you walk along a bike path or preferably not the bike path you know so many people out there as you're walking through Lakeview Cemetery or other some other quiet place about that six foot social distance. So I'd ask you to model. That's when the best ways you can help us is getting out using our parks because we want you out there. But model that appropriate social distance and pick up your garbage. And if you see any other garbage and you can pick it up safely, pick it up.

[00:30:06] But if you don't have gloves and such on, our staff are appropriately attired to be able to pick those things up. So thank you for asking. I appreciate you wanting to help us out with the work that we're doing. Let me to see if we got

[00:30:20] Another comment, which.

[00:30:26] Let me make sure I got Rchard's questions asked and then got that silver lining is just more will more people be using recreation? We talked about that a bit earlier and I really believe so. I really believe that we're going to see that that what people are doing now, they will continue to do because they'll realize how easy it was to, you know, put your sneakers on, go out your door and find your local park. I'm incredibly fortunate here. I live in the New North End of Burlington, called a little bit of suburbia in some ways. So a lot of single family homes. And I didn't realize it when we moved in. My husband, I had a pretty short list when we are looking for a house as a department head in Burlington. We were required to live in this city, which wasn't an issue for us. I've always lived where I've worked, which I really believe in because it helps you really become a part of that community. But we wanted three bedrooms because we wanted our children to come back and visit us and we wanted a two car garage. And most people would think you'd want a two car garage because maybe you have two cars. But no, for those of us that know as well, we wanted to car garage because we needed a place for all our bicycle's. And as that was a primary piece there. And now we're actually were down to one car. I never thought I would be a one car family. But living here in Burlington, we can easily be a one car family makes it pretty easy. So anyway, the other thing we discovered, though, when we were out here in the New North End of Burlington was as amazing park system that we have out around us were able to go on an easily an 8 mile cross-country ski out in cross, one road thats it I  across one road and again, this amazing cross-country ski or a bike ride. So that's a pretty fortunate part living here in New North of Burlington. So if anybody was thinking about moving anywhere, I highly recommend New North End Burlington. But even in our inner city of Burlington is we've got a lot of nice small parks, some of them it's a little bit sad now as we've closed playgrounds. That makes it more challenging and it gets to some of the equity pieces. As in your inner cities, you tend to have smaller parks and then when all the sudden you start closing some of those spaces off. What is that? How how do you help your community? Well, that's how our public works has come in. The public works is stepping up and they're looking at closing off some streets or limiting access streets or trying to take some bike lanes and allowing some pedestrians to walk in those spaces because we have less cars.

[00:32:54] Bikers can probably go in the the travel lane and we make some spaces for the walkers. But that's that community partnership working with your other agencies to help out. Let me just double check with there is any more questions because I don't want to miss anything.

[00:33:11] Got the budget. Helping people out. Taking care of our staff.

[00:33:17] I that's pretty much all the questions. Jack, I don't know if there's anything else that you guys want me to cover. I think what I would just say in closing from from my end is, you know, take care of each other. Look out for your neighbors and your parks. But remember your parks when all you know, all is said and done and we're, you know, where things are not quite so crazy and continue to support your parks because  those parks are there. They're going to stay like that. The great equalizer is our parks and our communities. That is, anybody can go into them. Anybody can use them. They create. They fit this climate crisis that we're also in the middle of. You know, we've got the trees that help with the breathing. So support your parks, whether it's your local park, your state park, your national park, your regional parks. Support the parks. Get out and use them. Don't love them too much. Try to find all the obscure places. Try not to get in your car right now during this crisis. See what you can find by walking or cycling.

[00:34:21] But I want to thank you so much to Jack and Brittany for inviting me and Richard for inviting me to join them for their first sustainable transportation piece today. I'm happy to be here as part of the city of Burlington. Parks, Recreation and waterfront. So as we like to say, you know, make sure you get out and go play. Thank you very much.