QUESTIONS ABOUT HOMER PAPERS AND MIDTERM (for Midterm, see lower
down)
- Alex came to talk to me about his paper. As we were talking, I
realized somethings I've tried to make clear need to be repeated
and underlined and emphasized:
- This paper is ALL ABOUT the passage you choose. That passage
should be very short, a page at most, maybe 15 lines.
- The paper must focus on the passage.
- To do that, at its core, this paper should be a list of
things that are in the passage, and each of those things
should be Homeric, and each of those things should have a
short list of parallels from elsewhere in Homer to show that
each is Homeric.
- That list and the short lists that justify each item on that
list are the most important thing in this paper.
- That list should take up most or all of the paper.
- If you like, you can even hand it in as a list, like this
one that you are reading, with bullet points and sub-bullet
points. But the standard format is paragraphs of explanation,
and that will be fine too.
- That would be a good paper.
- To make the paper better, you could explain how each item on
the list contribute to larger themes in Homer, but very
briefly, in one sentence, not a paragraph.
- To make the paper better, you might notice what is NOT in
the passage but is in the other parallel passages you cite.
- To make it even better, you might include counter-evidence:
parallels that show that HOmer doesn't always do what is done
in that passage, or that all authors do it, so it's not
particularly Homeric after all, maybe.
- Do not write a long introduction that is general and
not specific to the passage: just start with a short
explanation of where the passage occurs, why it is interesting
or significant, what drew you to it and then dive into your
list.
- The whole idea behind this paper is to explain what makes
Homer Homeric via explication of one passage. It has no
further goal, and so you should make your paper do that.
- Amos asks if I have a suggested structure for the essays.
- I have two ideas that I think would work well.
- 1. A traditional paper that starts out "The passage quoted
above (put the whole passage on the first page: but it
doesn't count for length toward your 4 pages) is Homeric..."
Next paragraph "One Homeric aspect is .... We know that is
Homeric, because it also occurs at (put in parallels here).
This aspect ties in to the major theme of (nobility,
guest-friendship, etc.: fill in the blank however you think
appropriate) by .... (at most one sentence about this aspect
more generally here)." Next paragraph "Another Homeric
aspect is ....." Next paragraph "Another HOmeric aspect is
...." End with "Those (number here) aspects of this passage
demonstrate that the passage is Homeric. If space allowed,
I'd like to further explore ..."
- NOTE WELL: don't use those exact words: it will be a
boring paper and won't be in your own words. Rephrase what
I said to make it YOUR paper in YOUR words, and more
polished.
- 2. A list with bullets:
- Passage: Book X lines xyz-qwe.
- HOmeric traits of passage:
- First aspect
- Parallels to first aspect
- Observations about first aspect
- 2nd aspect
- ...
- Conclusion: those aspects are the aspect of the passage
that struck me as typical of Homer. One aspect that seems
more unique is .... OR If space allowed, I would explore
...." OR something else that you are interested in and
think is connected to your passage.
- NOTE WELL: This list format is best for those of you who
have way too much to say and need a way to pack it all in.
Those of you who are having a hard time finding enough
material to talk about need to pick another passage OR
think harder, and probably should not use the list format.
- Julia wants to know if the paper should be written with a
thesis?
- The thesis should be "This passage has traits that make it
typically and identifiably Homeric" followed by those traits
and proof that they are HOmeric.
- If you have some further thesis, great, but do not let it
overshadow the thesis above.
- Ethan wants to know if he can use both Iliad and Odyssey
for the paper.
- YES, very much so. So glad you asked.
- Griffin wants to know what kind of points he can write about
in the paper.
- You can write about phrases and words: it there's an
epithet, that's HOmeric. If there is a line that occurs again
elsewhere, that's Homeric. If there's an item, say an "ashen
spear" or a "scepter that will never grow leaves again,"
that's Homeric.
- Characters: if there's a character who fits a certain
description (there just to die by Achilles' spear: a support
character for a main character: a wife: a concubine) and there
are others in the epics like them, that's Homeric.
- Types of scenes: when they strip armor, when they eat, when
they fight, when they look out over the battlefield, when they
greet each other, when they set sail, when they sit down, when
they beg for mercy: all of those are Homeric, because they
occur more than once, happen a certain way, are described a
certain way, have a certain sequence, etc.
- and much more besides.
- Braden wants to know if the paper should have one topic or can
he use more thn one Homeric theme.
- IT should focus on one very short passage: at most a page
long. Maybe 15 lines.
- So no, it should have several topics, several themes, but
all should relate directly to the passage.
- And you should not spend a lot of time talking about those
topics or themes. You should identify them and give parallels
and spend a sentence at most describing them and how they fit
into the epics.
- Another point: here's a recipe for the work needed to do this
paper well:
- There are four tasks here:
- 1. Pick a passage that suits this assignment, one that has
"Homeric" things in it.
- 2. Identify those Homeric things.
- 3. Find other passages that have the same Homeric things.
- 4. Write it. Do this using some of the other passages from
#3 as evidence for the claim that each thing in #2 is
Homeric and conclude that the passage in #1 is Homeric.
MIDTERM QUESTIONS
- Otto asks what exactly we have to know for the short ID's
about characters for the midterm.
- I've listed things on the midterm from last year. A Short ID
is a standard kind of question on exams. It asks you to list
the most relevant and important facts or aspects of the thing.
It is impossible to give an exact list, because different
things need different answers. But the idea is to give about 3
different important relevant things. For characters, what is
the most important thing they do? if they have a particular
role (doctor, leader, archer), what is it? If they have a
sponsor god, who is that? etc.