Daily Comments Nov. 5
- Mia asks whether Aristotle considered himself to have a pretty
good human life. Owen asks whether Aristotle thought he himself
achieved eudaemonia.
- We know very little about Aristotle personally. We do have
what looks like a copy of his will, but nothing like an
assessment of his own life.
- Iris notes that in Ancient Greece, it seems that citizens
could participate more in politics than is generally true today.
- Yes: Ancient Greek city-states were small towns by our
standards, and in Athens, a citizen would be asked to
participate more than most US citizens will ever be asked to
participate.That is, of course, partly because a much smaller
portion of the population were citizens then.
- Thad says that he finds that the law and what is ethical are
not as interwoven as might be expected and wonders what
Aristotle thought.
- Great question. I'm not sure I want to just make something
up off the cuff: best place to look would be first in the
index to Aristotle (maybe under 'law' or 'legislation') and
track down what he has to say about law.
- Ziqin thinks Aristotle over-glorifies and overestimates
politics: politics does not aim at the good in practice,
but often serves particular interests more than the
collective good.
- Absolutely right about politics, but Aristotle is talking
about what politics can be if done right, the theory of what
it should be.
- Cameron asks, if eudaemonia is achieved by happiness which is
found by good morals and good living, it raises the question if
this morality is dependent on internal virtue or the actions
that are derived from said virtue.
- A great thought. One thing, eudaemonia is happiness,
or at least that his how eudaemonia is often translated (it's
more like flourishing or thriving).
- Aristotle thought that actions are the result of one's inner
state. His ethics are agent-centered. He does not speak so
much about whether this action is right or wrong as such, but
rather of what the inner state should be in order for the
action to be virtuous. Not sure that addresses your thought.
- Joseph suggests that Aristotle seems to foreshadow
Epicureanism more than Stoicism at times.
- I'd like to hear more about that thought.
- Aristotle seems to have thought pleasure in and of itself is
good, something one naturally chooses, and that pain in and of
itself should be avoided, but he did not make them the major
criteria for whether or not to do something. Epicureans
believed that the goal of life is pleasure, but one must
realize that the defined pleasure as the absence of pain, so
they have a very different idea of pleasure than most people
do.
- Olivia thinks Aristotle's ethics are remarkably relevant today
and it makes sense that everyone is seeking happiness.
- Beatrice wonders whether Aristotle would have voted for Kamala
or Trump.
- Aristotle said that one's actions are one's character. I'll
leave you to draw conclusions.
- Charlotte thinks Aristotle focused too much on constant
happiness.
- THat might be true if he were talking about a fleeting
emotion or upturn in life: he is, however, talking about the
tenor of a whole life, and so I can't really agree with that.
- But I understand the thought and think it might have to do
with the unfortunateness of using 'happiness' as a translation
of 'eudaemonia' when it refers to 'flourishing' or 'well
being.'
- Oliver notes that he once wrote a paper on Aristotle's v. the
Stoics view of happiness and looks forward to hearing more.
- Great! Please help me explain it!
- Mary Beth wonders if Aristotle puts too much weight on outside
factors (luck) that affect happiness.
- You seem to lean a bit Stoic, Mary Beth.
- The Stoics like to formulate things in extreme and
provocative ways, but their ideas are actually very attractive
and make a great deal of sense. I think it's probably overall
a good idea to have the stability and confidence of character
to not let many of the trials and tribulations that life
throws at us disconcert us.