CLAS 196/PHIL 196
- Repeated from last class:
- Diogenes Laertius 7.35
This text describes a cataleptic impression
- "Perception,
again, is an impression
produced on the mind, its name being appropriately
borrowed from impressions on wax made by a seal; and perception they (i.e. Stoics)
divide into comprehensible and incomprehensible:
Comprehensible, which they call the criterion of
facts, and which is
produced by a real object,
and is, therefore, at the
same time conformable to that object;
Incomprehensible, which has no relation to any real object,
or else, if it has any such relation, does not correspond to
it, being but a vague and indistinct representation."
- Diogenes Laertius 7.36
- "Diocles, of Magnesia, in his Excursion of Philosophers,
where he speaks as follows, and we will give his account
word for word.
The Stoics have chosen to treat, in the first place, of
perception and sensation, because the criterion by which the truth of facts is
ascertained is a kind of perception, and because
the judgment which expresses the belief, and the
comprehension, and the understanding of a thing, a judgment
which precedes all others, cannot exist without perception.
For perception leads the
way; and then thought, finding vent in expressions,
explains in words the feelings which it derives from
perception. But there is a difference between
phantasia and phantasma. For phantasma is a conception of
the intellect, such as takes place in sleep; but phantasia is an impression,
tupôsis, produced on the mind, that is to say, an
alteration, alloiôsis, as Chrysippus states in the
twelfth book of his treatise on the Soul. For we must not take this
impression to resemble that made by a seal, since it is
impossible to conceive that there should be many
impressions made at the same time on the same thing.
But phantasia is
understood to be that which is impressed, and formed,
and imprinted by a real object, according to a real
object, in such a way as it could not be by any other
than a real object; and, according to
their ideas of the phantasiai, some are sensible, and some are not.
...
For all our thoughts are formed either by indirect
perception, or by similarity, or analogy, or transposition,
or combination, or opposition. By a direct perception, we
perceive those things which are the objects of sense; by
similarity, those which start from some point present to our
senses; as, for instance, we form an idea of Socrates from
his likeness. We draw our conclusions by analogy, adopting
either an increased idea of the thing, as of Tityus, or the
Cyclops; or a diminished idea, as of a pigmy. So, too, the
idea of the centre of the world was one derived by analogy
from what we perceived to be the case of the smaller
spheres. We use transposition when we fancy eyes in a man‘s
breast; combination, when we take in the idea of a Centaur;
opposition, when we turn our thoughts to death. Some ideas
we also derive from comparison, for instance, from a
comparison of words and places.
- Aetius 4.12.2-4 (in SVF 2.54)
- An impression is an
affection occurring in the soul, which reveals itself and
its cause. Thus, when through sight we observe
something white, the affection is what is engendered in the
soul through vision; and it is this affection which enables
us to say that there is a white object which activates us.
Likewise when we perceive through touch and smell. ... just as light reveals itself
and whatever else it includes in its range, so impression
reveals itself and its cause. The cause of an
impression is an impressor: e.g. , something white or cold
or everything capable of activating the soul. Imagination is
an empty attraction, an affection in the soul which arises
from no impressor ... (LS 39B)
- Kataleptic impressions and catalepsis
- a kataleptic impression has the following traits
- It comes from what is
- i.e. it in fact comes from what it appears to be an
impression of
- It is produced according to what is
- i.e. it corresponds to the object which imprinted it
- and also that object's features caused it to have the
features it has
- It could not come from something which is not
- it is so clear and obvious that it just could not come
from anything else (?)
- Isn't it always possible to create a replica?
- well, if the replica really is indiscernible from the
object, then the replica is simply the same as the
object
- still, there could be problems: now we have two
objects: what if it is somehow important to determine
which is the original?
- This worry is legitimate, but it may well postdate the
Stoic theory
- on the other hand, Plato, at the end of the Cratylus
does talk about things relevant to that worry
- in fact, ancient scepticism is chiefly aimed at the
Stoic kataleptic impression
- There are other obvious legitimate worries: what are the
distinguishing marks that identify an impression that has
each of those wonderful traits described above, and what
mechanism makes it the case that some impressions have
those traits?
- Doubts about that sort of thing should, perhaps, lead
the Stoics to become sceptics (more on that below).
- How does a kataleptic impression lead to knowledge?
- "Strong assent" is necessary
- Strong is opposed to weak assent
- we non-Sages only ever give weak assent
- Strong assent is immune to attack by any series of
questions
- Strong assent is also immune to emotional or physical
pressure
- Think of the fact that 1=1
- If you are tortured, you might say "One does not equal
one. There, I've said it. Now stop the torture."
- But have you changed your belief?
- We now know that various means can make a person
abandon even such a belief: arguably they are
extra-ordinary, but what is ordinary...
- Strong assent is that sort of thing
- If you really know it, you would never change your
mind or bow to someone casting doubt upon the
impression that 1=1.
- Imagine that kind of assent to ethical propositions as
well as others.
- That is the kind of assent the sage has
- it just makes no sense to think that torture or
argument will make the sage renege on the sage's
strong assent
- Weak assent is the norm for humans
- we assent to things, but our conviction could be swayed,
and it is usually not backed up by dispositional
knowledge, and we could not answer all questions about it
- So Knowledge is defined as
"Strong assent to a kataleptic impression"
- Note that it is an event! not a state
- it only ever exists when it happens: it is occurrent
- They still use knowledge as we do
- A Stoic might say "I know algebra" even though right now
the Stoic is not knowing algebra actively
- That is loose speaking by the Stoics, not technical
precision.
- Beware of this phenomenon: the Stoics have lots of
precise terminology, but then the authors we have don't
use it! Darn it all.
- This explains why non-sages cannot know anything according
to Stoics
- non-sages have only opinions
- But the sage has no opinions, only knowledge
- starts to look superhuman indeed
- Aren't we in a better position?
- We can "take a chance" and go with impressions
- In a world of imperfect information, we need to do that,
don't we?
- We don't know that the cafeteria food is not poisoned:
but we need to eat
- We don't know that our best friend has not decided to
kill us: but we need our friend
- The sage simply can't/doesn't need to take those chances
- to do so would introduce the thin edge of a wedge
- one false belief would corrupt/could corrupt the sage
- also, the sage realizes that those impressions are not
kataleptic
SIDE NOTE: It may seem that the Stoic ideas are an easy target,
perhaps even "non-starters," but if you are an empiricist of
any stripe, you have to address something like these challenges:
what is our warrant or justification for accepting any sense
impressions? Generally speaking, empiricism is the belief that we
gain knowledge of the world via the senses. Strong empiricism says
that is the only way we gain knowledge of the world. Rationalism
is often opposed to empiricism and holds that we gain knowledge of
the world via intuition or via innate abilities or contents of our
minds. There are stronger and weaker versions of this too. Below,
there is a quote from Aetius that shows that the Stoics entered
this debate and thought that there were "preconceptions," which
seem to be innate: were they
abilities?propensities?concepts?knowledge? Diogenes Laertius
is quoted below too, as saying that Chrysippus held that "sensation and preconception are the
only criteria. And preconception is, according to him, a
comprehensive physical notion of general principles. But others of the earlier Stoics
admit right reason as one criterion of the truth."
- Shouldn't the Stoics' logic push them over into scepticism?
- Given that the sage never has opinions, and only has
knowledge, it seems pretty easy to push the sage over into
scepticism
- HOW does the sage KNOW that any particular impression is
kataleptic?
- Couldn't it be otherwise?
- Once the sage admits there is a doubt, she either has to
abandon her claims or become an epistemological sceptic and
doubt the very possibility of knowing
- that is because the sage would not reject impressions
outright, but rather withhold assent, conclude that there
is not enough information to assent.
- and that is precisely what being an ancient sceptic
involved: refusing to assent or dissent: sceptics
"withheld" their assent
- For other philosophies, such as Aristotelianism or
Platonism, knowledge seems more like a dispositional thing:
it is a matter of having a web of interconnected facts and
principles that add up to knowledge.
- For the Stoic, the sceptic has a much more specific easier
target:
- Cast doubt on the existence of the kataleptic
impression, and Stoicism seems to fall apart
- Furthermore, it seems hard to explain how the sage can
possibly do anything
- don't all actions require constant assent to impressions?
- Aristotle formulated it as follows, in the "PRACTICAL
SYLLOGISM" a version of which is:
- First, we have a desire: want food
- Then we see some food: that's food
- Then we conclude with the action: eating food
- Step 3 is not propositional: rather, it's an action
- From two propositions, action results, according to the
syllogism
- Stoics tell a slightly different story:
- First, we have an impression: "I want food"
- We (do/do not) assent to it: we agree that we want
food
- Impression: "That is food."
- Assent to 3
- Practical Impression: "Eating that food
that I want is what I should do."
- Action
- Step 5 is a PRACTICAL IMPRESSION
- Note that it is definitely non-sensible
- (where 1 and 3 are sensible: we feel/experience
them/sense them)
- there is a lively debate in the literature about
whether the Stoics held that there were non-sensible
kataleptic (or other) impressions
- Note that the sage must have such an
impression and have it be a kataleptic one in order to
do anything at all
- so the sage can't do anything if the sage is faced
with only vague/uncertain/subpar impressions
- The "reasonable," aka the "probable"
- Diogenes Laertius 7.177 (Life of Sphaerus II in our online
text)
- "And when he made a considerable advance in philosophy
he went to Alexandria, to the court of Ptolemy Philopater.
And once, when there was
a discussion concerning the question whether a wise man
would allow himself to be guided by opinion, and when
Sphaerus affirmed that he would not, the king, wishing
to refute him, ordered some pomegranates of wax to be
set before him; and when Sphaerus was deceived by them,
the king shouted that he had given his assent to a false
perception. But Sphaerus answered very neatly, that he
had not given his assent to the fact that they were
pomegranates, but to the fact that it was probable that
they might be pomegranates. And that a perception which
could be comprehended differed from one that was only
probable." (=LS 40F)
- Cicero Academica 2.99-100
- [Speaker: Cicero, in defence of the New Academy] Indeed,
even the wise man whom your school [the stoicizing
school of Antiochus] brings onto the scene
follows many things which are convincing--not
unknown, perceived or assented to, but likely.
Were he not to accept them, all life should surely
be abolished. After all, when the wise man
boards a ship he surely doesn't know and perceive in his
mind that the voyage will be successful--how can he? But
if he were now setting out from here for Puteoli, a
journey of thirty stades, with an honest crew and a good
steersman in the present calm weather, it would seem
convincing to him that he would get there safely." (from
L&S: 42I)
- I think that what is happening here is that there are two
propositions
- 'Those are real pomegranates'
- 'It is reasonable that those are real pomegranates'
- I think that the sage can assent to 2 strongly, but not to 1
- There can be a non-kataleptic impression nested within a
kataleptic impression
- 1 is clearly not kataleptic
- 2 is kataleptic
- 2 is sufficient for action
- So sages and we too can assent safely to impressions such as
the one that has within it the proposition "I will be alive
tomorrow" or "the sun will come out tomorrow" etc.
- As long as we are only assenting to their reasonability:
i.e. we assent to "It is reasonable that I will be alive
tomorrow."
- BUT Brennan seems to be saying something different, and I am
not sure I understand him, so I won't try to present it: you
can go read him.
- This bears further investigation
- It is the key to how the
Stoics think that the sage can continue to act in the world
without having opinions
- Unfortunately, I am not sure we have the evidence (probably
I just haven't seen it while thinking about this problem) in
our primary sources to figure what the Stoic theory to this
level of detail.
- Non-sensible/non-perceptual kataleptic impressions?
- Why doubt that they exist for Stoics?
- Because a Kataleptic Impression, as defined above, has a
causal notion in it
- the object not only corresponds to the
impression, but it also causes the impression to
have the form it does
- Only bodies can play a direct causal role
- nothing incorporeal, such as a proposition, time, empty
space, can cause anything real
- How did the Stoics dodge this objection?
- Sextus Empiricus Against
the
Professors 8.409
- "For they {the Stoics] say, just as the trainer or
drill-sergeant sometimes takes hold of the boy's hand to
drill him and to teach him to make certain motions, but
sometimes stands at a distance and moves to a certain
drill to provide himself as a model for the boy-- so too
some impressors touch, as it were, and make contact with
the commanding faculty to make their printing in it, as
do white and black, and body in general; whereas others
have a nature like that of the incorporeal
sayables (lekta),
and the commanding faculty is impressed in relation to
them, not by them." (LS 27e)
- That's clearly an attempt to dodge the bullet
- How does the incorporeal stand in relation to the
commanding faculty and how can the commanding faculty take
on the features of that incorporeal?
- The idea may be that the mind forms part of itself into
the form of the incorporeal sayable and that forms the
imprint.
- It's not altogether whacky: how do we explain that our
mind can form pictures of a wombat's head attached to the
top of a tree trunk covered in pepperoni pizzas with
beautiful wavy earthworms sticking out below?
- The mind just is plastic: it can create things in itself
- And the problem is not really any different from the basic
problem of where the propositions that always accompany
impressions come from! How and why are certain features of
an object included while others are excluded? It's a huge
problem, but not just for Stoics, no?
- In any case, it is clear that the Stoics thought there could
be kataleptic impressions of incorporeals.
- Aetius 4.11.1-4
- "When a man is born, the stoics say, he has the commanding
part of his soul like a sheet of paper ready for writing upon.
On this he inscribes each one of his conceptions. The first
method of inscription is through the senses. For by perceiving something, e.g.
white, they have a memory of it when it has departed. And
when many memories of a similar kind have occurred, we then
say we have experience. For the plurality of similar impressions is
experience. Some conceptions arise naturally in the
aforesaid ways and undesignedly, others through our own
instruction and attention. The latter are called
'conceptions' only, the former are called 'preconceptions'
as well. Reason, for which we are called rational, is said
to be completed from our preconceptions during our first
seven years." (LS 39E)
- Diogenes Laertius 7.54
- "They say that the proper criterion of truth is the
comprehension, phantasia; that is to say, one which is derived
from a real object, as Chrysippus asserts in the twelfth book
of his Physics; and he is followed by Antipater and
Apollodorus. For Boethius leaves a great many criteria, such
as intellect, sensation, appetite, and knowledge; but Chrysippus dissents from
his view, and in the first book of his treatise on Reason, says, that sensation and
preconception are the only criteria. And preconception is,
according to him, a comprehensive physical notion of general
principles. But
others of the earlier Stoics admit right reason as one
criterion of the truth; for instance, this is the
opinion of Posidonius, and is advanced by him in his essay on
Criteria." (LS 40A)
- Epictetus Discourses
1.22
- "Precognitions are common to all men, and
precognition is not
contradictory to precognition. For who of us does not
assume that Good is useful and eligible, and in all
circumstances that we ought to follow and pursue it? And who
of us does not assume that justice is beautiful and becoming?
When, then, does the contradiction arise? It arises in the
adaptation of the precognitions to the particular cases. When
one man says, “He has done well: he is a brave man,” and
another says, “Not so; but he has acted foolishly”; then the
disputes arise among men."
- "What then is education? Education
is
the learning how to adapt the natural precognitions to the
particular things conformably to nature; and then to distinguish that of
things some are in our power, but others are not; in
our power are will and all acts which depend on the will;
things not in our power are the body, the parts of the body,
possessions, parents, brothers, children, country, and,
generally, all with whom we live in society."